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The bots (and their annoyances) are back ><
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A J RJ: amanbearpig CO: aManBearPig Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 54 Karma: 18 Joined: Mar 30, 2012 |
Posted on Jul 25, 2012 Ugh my news section just got spammed. If you're going to use a bot please at the very least make it buy things all at once instead of...this...Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Automobiles bought 28079 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $2,667.51 after commission. Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Automobiles bought 233995 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $22,229.53 after commission. Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Automobiles bought 841578 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $79,949.91 after commission. Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Automobiles bought 841578 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $79,949.91 after commission. Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Apparel bought 21056 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $2,000.32 after commission. Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Apparel bought 84227 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $8,001.57 after commission. Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Apparel bought 42119 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $4,001.31 after commission. Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Apparel bought 8774 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $833.53 after commission. Jul 25, 2012 3:31 PM Ball Mart Apparel bought 116989 units of Electricity from your company for a total of $11,113.96 after commission. All at 3:31PM. |
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Brent Goode RJ: BB Goode CO: BB Goode Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 506 Karma: 180 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Jul 25, 2012 Two thoughts:First, Ball will tell you he did you a favor by helping you keep better records. Second, if he was buying all at once, he wouldn't have the bots. That is the whole point. They allow him to cheat time as you and I are capable of playing through it. Now that Scott is again lost in the woods, I fear it will embolden the bot cheaters, and further ruin what is left of this community. |
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Nathan Browning RJ: Nathaniel Barnes CO: Nathan Browning Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Joined: Jun 15, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 21, 2012 Sep 21, 20128:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 67 units of Gold from your company for a total of $25,460.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 8:30 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 154 units of Silver from your company for a total of $21,945.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 8:15 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 67 units of Gold from your company for a total of $25,460.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 8:15 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 163 units of Silver from your company for a total of $23,227.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 8:00 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 143 units of Gold from your company for a total of $54,340.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 7:59 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 154 units of Silver from your company for a total of $21,945.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 7:45 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 8 units of Gold from your company for a total of $3,040.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 7:44 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 163 units of Silver from your company for a total of $23,227.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 7:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 66 units of Gold from your company for a total of $25,080.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 7:29 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 158 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,515.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 7:15 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 57 units of Gold from your company for a total of $21,660.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 7:14 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 162 units of Silver from your company for a total of $23,085.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 7:00 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 42 units of Gold from your company for a total of $15,960.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 6:59 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 153 units of Silver from your company for a total of $21,802.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 6:45 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 67 units of Gold from your company for a total of $25,460.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 6:45 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 154 units of Silver from your company for a total of $21,945.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 6:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 532 units of Silver from your company for a total of $75,810.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 6:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 200 units of Gold from your company for a total of $76,000.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 6:29 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 158 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,515.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 5:59 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 355 units of Silver from your company for a total of $50,587.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 5:45 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 356 units of Silver from your company for a total of $50,730.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 5:45 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 137 units of Gold from your company for a total of $52,060.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 5:45 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 160 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,800.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 5:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 356 units of Silver from your company for a total of $50,730.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 5:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 135 units of Gold from your company for a total of $51,300.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 5:29 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 160 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,800.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 5:14 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 160 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,800.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:59 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 156 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,230.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:45 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 170 units of Silver from your company for a total of $24,225.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:45 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 65 units of Gold from your company for a total of $24,700.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:44 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 181 units of Silver from your company for a total of $25,792.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 200 units of Silver from your company for a total of $28,500.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 77 units of Gold from your company for a total of $29,260.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:29 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 140 units of Silver from your company for a total of $19,950.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:15 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 335 units of Silver from your company for a total of $47,737.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:15 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 115 units of Gold from your company for a total of $43,700.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:14 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 156 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,230.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:00 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 180 units of Silver from your company for a total of $25,650.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 4:00 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 71 units of Gold from your company for a total of $26,980.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:59 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 161 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,942.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:45 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 177 units of Silver from your company for a total of $25,222.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:45 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 63 units of Gold from your company for a total of $23,940.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:44 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 161 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,942.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 16 units of Silver from your company for a total of $2,280.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:30 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 4 units of Gold from your company for a total of $1,520.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:29 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 161 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,942.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:15 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 177 units of Silver from your company for a total of $25,222.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:15 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 66 units of Gold from your company for a total of $25,080.00 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:14 AM Ball Mart Smelters bought 161 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,942.50 after commission. Sep 21, 2012 3:00 AM Ball Mart Petrochem bought 161 units of Silver from your company for a total of $22,942.50 after commission. |
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Brent Goode RJ: BB Goode CO: BB Goode Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 506 Karma: 180 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 21, 2012 Don't get me started. It is one of the main reasons this game has deteriorated so badly. No one wants to play against bots.
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Garry Hurst RJ: jackosbournelookalike CO: jackosbournelookalike Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 151 Karma: 21 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 22, 2012 don't you mean the game is at a virtual standstill? and atm not worth any real time or energy?not to say it isn't worth time just really needs to be fixed. |
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Brent Goode RJ: BB Goode CO: BB Goode Post Rating: 1 + / - Total Posts: 506 Karma: 180 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 22, 2012 That is also true, but not what I meant. What I meant is that the game has deteriorated in large part due to the fiasco over bots. Even before Scott disappeared into the ozone of irresponsibility, bots were destroying the game, and people were leaving because of it. And they are now invading again at a level not seen since Scott knocked down BallC. That is what I meant. But I concede that your view is also somewhat true, if sugar coated a bit.
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Garry Hurst RJ: jackosbournelookalike CO: jackosbournelookalike Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 151 Karma: 21 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 22, 2012 Imagine this, you work 24/7 whenever you are awake and mostly ignoring everything else in life, all to create this idea you have in your head of a great game, you make many friends in helping you develop and test, you expand/advertise to see the game work on a larger scale, then the boom happens, the cheaters come in, the absurd, the extreme, the rude, yet your not really willing to get help from mods,.......I could go on but it's looking like quite possibly If I were Scott, I would have been upset and stepped away and my thoughts would be, Kill, game : Reset, game : re-design, security : He might be in hiding to work un-interrupted at a complete re-structure, including bot prevention, i.e. something similar to the way bots are detected in myspace games. He might be depressed, I know I would be. Point is I don't know but I do know his utter excitement about the dev. of this game was amazing he would have very little sleep on a regular basis and still be in a great mood I think the start of it all was partly when we me and a few others begged for chat, that really wound up hurting things, anyway i'm rambling point is he's maybe depressed maybe feeling a little un-appreciated, and I think ultimately, he will see this game to completion his determination has proved to be excellent in the past and his standards high. |
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Garry Hurst RJ: jackosbournelookalike CO: jackosbournelookalike Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 151 Karma: 21 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 22, 2012 One last thought, responsibility would be if this were a pay-play game this is a free game, the servers are still hosing it, therefore his responsibility level can really be whatever he wants it to be..... at least he's keeping it alive while he takes his hiatus ....
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M Burch RJ: Farmerbob CO: Farmerbob Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 151 Karma: 14 Joined: Sep 2, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 22, 2012 Well, one way to reduce the effectiveness of bots is to create a soft timer on transactions. As an example:After you make a transaction, there's a 30 second delay before you can make another transaction of any type, and a 1 minute delay before you can make a transaction of the same type. If you choose to ignore this transaction delay, there is a fee attached to the transaction based on how much time elapsed. I buy oranges, and realize that deal is really, really good and want to buy all the rest of them. If I buy more of anything in the next 30 seconds, I pay a % fee that gets higher the faster I buy. If I buy more oranges within the next 60 seconds, then I pay the same sliding scale fee. This makes rapid transactions expensive. It won't stop bots from cherrypicking good deals, but it will keep them from blitzing sales. It actually makes sense from a business point of view. Expedited orders cost more. You will pay more for lots of little packages as opposed to big packages. Your order handling staff can only do so much before they start having to get paid overtime, better pay, or bonuses. |
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Garry Hurst RJ: jackosbournelookalike CO: jackosbournelookalike Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 151 Karma: 21 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 22, 2012 One word "capcha" :) would help but could become a major annoyance.but penalizing rapid purchases would be rude to those playing at whatever speed they can click/type so if a user is efficient he's penalized, however bots can usually be set for timeouts, and randomization of time outs. captcha's definitely stop most bots..... it's all give and take. I just feel anything that would hurt legit transactions should be avoided. |
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martin uzz RJ: Martinuzz CO: martinuzz Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 59 Karma: 20 Joined: Apr 16, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 23, 2012 Are there any people around that don't want to waste their coding skills on bots, but rather hack the game, and get admin rights to punish the bots?
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eric scott RJ: Erik Scott CO: Sappo Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 130 Karma: 29 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 23, 2012 Simple captcha... 1 letter or numeralFind a way to randomize the background of the captcha to prevent the bot from OCR'ing it It wouldnt take long for the general population (whatever remains) to aclimitize to typing an extra number beside their order |
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Moe Jack RJ: Moejack CO: Moe Jack Post Rating: 1 + / - Total Posts: 128 Karma: 74 Joined: Apr 7, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 23, 2012 Are we still blaming this on bots.... puleeeez. It's all speculation as to why Scott stopped. It could just as likely be people's bitching about bots as the bots themselves or, more likely, the reality that MOST projects fail because MOST people don't have the wherewithal to stick with them. |
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a y RJ: Hunter Bowman CO: Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 26, 2012 a hard cooldown period would thrown a wrench into reliably trading between ones privately-held companies at cost. ironically, this approach would give bots a big advantage in this case, as they can be vigilant --- in a way no human player realisitically could be --- in continuously monitoring for such "deals", which only exist for the short time between listing with one company and purchasing with the other (it takes several seconds to switch companies and click over to the B2B page).i've actually been interrupted mid-trade a few times by interlopers, although to be honest, i suspect it's just lucky human players and not bots. it's very annoying when it happens, but given the game''s quirks and general functional incompleteness, one must become inured to such random losses as a "cost of doing business". |
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Brent Goode RJ: BB Goode CO: BB Goode Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 506 Karma: 180 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 26, 2012 We went from over 400 players to under 200 players during the reign of the bots. The major complaints were all the same, and remain on these threads to be seen...Bots, and Scott's refusal to outlaw them.
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Nathan Browning RJ: Nathaniel Barnes CO: Nathan Browning Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Joined: Jun 15, 2012 |
Posted on Sep 26, 2012 Who wants to play with bots in a competitive environment? I don't.The main reason I'm still here is because I'm playing against myself now. I don't even look at rankings anymore. |
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